i brought mine before I had a hundred!
Only a proportion of the estimated 28,000 letterboxes on Dartmoor are actually catalogued, and the following link will tell you where to send your money for the catalogue!

http://www.letterboxingondartmoor.co.uk/catalogue.html

You do, however, need a hundred boxes to join the (informal) 100 club!!!!
So in answer to your question Jay, not true! ;-)

Drew Family wrote:
> ukletterboxer wrote:

> The idea behind letterboxing is for a box to be placed in order for
> others to find, end of story - the idea is not for the box to be
> hidden for a select few to find - clues to Dartmoor boxes (which, may
> i remind you is the home of letterboxing) are publicised in a
> catalogue! This catalogue is available to any persons willing to buy
> one.

Not to beat a dead horse here, especially since I haven't been lucky
enough to visit Dartmoor myself, but my impression is that a
letterboxer must have a logbook with lots (100?) of found stamps in
hand before they are allowed to buy the catalog. Not "any persons
willing to buy," but rather "persons who can prove they're responsible
boxers can buy."

True? Jay in CT






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as i can say i briefly visited Dartmoor, i can honestly say it is a lot harder than it sounds. i was only able to collect 3 in the park itself, and 1 in the town it borders. i hope to go back, but if i am lucky enough to find 100 boxes and become eligable for the book of clues, it is not the "certificate of responsiblity" i am looking for. just the honor of being able to look for any letterboxes in such a wonderful place. you do have to go to school before you get the diploma. i haven't gotten my diploma yet!

i did plant a box in dartmoor and never expect to hear from it again.
david (team new hampshire)
http://teamnewhampshire.blogspot.com


Drew Family wrote:
> ukletterboxer wrote:

> The idea behind letterboxing is for a box to be placed in order for
> others to find, end of story - the idea is not for the box to be
> hidden for a select few to find - clues to Dartmoor boxes (which, may
> i remind you is the home of letterboxing) are publicised in a
> catalogue! This catalogue is available to any persons willing to buy
> one.

Not to beat a dead horse here, especially since I haven't been lucky
enough to visit Dartmoor myself, but my impression is that a
letterboxer must have a logbook with lots (100?) of found stamps in
hand before they are allowed to buy the catalog. Not "any persons
willing to buy," but rather "persons who can prove they're responsible
boxers can buy."

True? Jay in CT






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So am I understanding that anyone can buy the catalog of Dartmoor clues? Even if they have no finds? This is contrary to what I have heard and understood it to be before as there has always been an understanding that it is not available until a person logs 100 finds all on their own, but that is good to know (if I ever get there ;-)

The funny thing is that the concept of the catalog is identical to what the person here in the U.S. who has taken clues offline is doing -- putting out a little print catalog of clues that is available for a nominal fee (postage is not free) to anyone who requests a copy. But for some reason she is perceived as being exclusionary for doing this.

SpringChick


----- Original Message -----
From: Ukletterboxer
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Dartmoor catalog


i brought mine before I had a hundred!
Only a proportion of the estimated 28,000 letterboxes on Dartmoor are actually catalogued, and the following link will tell you where to send your money for the catalogue!

http://www.letterboxingondartmoor.co.uk/catalogue.html

You do, however, need a hundred boxes to join the (informal) 100 club!!!!
So in answer to your question Jay, not true! ;-)

Drew Family wrote:
> ukletterboxer wrote:

> The idea behind letterboxing is for a box to be placed in order for
> others to find, end of story - the idea is not for the box to be
> hidden for a select few to find - clues to Dartmoor boxes (which, may
> i remind you is the home of letterboxing) are publicised in a
> catalogue! This catalogue is available to any persons willing to buy
> one.

Not to beat a dead horse here, especially since I haven't been lucky
enough to visit Dartmoor myself, but my impression is that a
letterboxer must have a logbook with lots (100?) of found stamps in
hand before they are allowed to buy the catalog. Not "any persons
willing to buy," but rather "persons who can prove they're responsible
boxers can buy."

True? Jay in CT

Have fun and stay safe
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http://thewanderersretreat.blogspot.com

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Nah, not at all. Anyone can get their hands on a catalog and updates.
There *is* an unofficial club for folks who have found 100 boxes, but that's
not incredibly difficult to do. A person can get a catalog and goferit
themselves as far as finding boxes, or find a friendly soul over there (not
hard to find) to take them around and help them out. Friendly souls can
always be found already out on the search who will often be glad to lend a
hand if they see a person is struggling, and the struggling person puts on a
little bit of a begging face, and even friendlier souls can often be found
in the area pubs already friendlied up a bit. A lot of pubs also have
indoor boxes similar to those in the U.S. where a person comes in, gives a
password, and receives the box.

IIRC, in the past, *current* catalogues were kinda, sorta, rather,
restricted to member of the club, but anyone could buy a previous catalog.
Now, however, I don't think there's much of any problem for anyone to buy a
current catalog even. And it's not really expensive. Not prohibitively so
at all in my opinion.

Frankly, I never got involved over there because I found many clues to be
somewhat on the boring side, tho the stamps were cool. Pippi and Keith
loved it but it wasn't my style. I like that the U.S. placers are a little
more creative, a little more imaginative, etc. But, obviously, that's just
my own personal opinion, and to each his/her own. :-)

~~ Mosey ~~
http://freewebs.com/moseyingalong

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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Drew Family
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:59 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Dartmoor catalog


Not to beat a dead horse here, especially since I haven't been lucky
enough to visit Dartmoor myself, but my impression is that a
letterboxer must have a logbook with lots (100?) of found stamps in
hand before they are allowed to buy the catalog. Not "any persons
willing to buy," but rather "persons who can prove they're responsible
boxers can buy."

True? Jay in CT




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The issue here is not about where you box and weather or not you have to collect 'x' amount of stamps before you can truely call yourself a 'letterboxer' but more about the way in which letterboxing appears to be becoming somewhat 'elitist'. It is not a pastime soley reserved for those that box every weekend for 48hrs solid and have a finds list that would take you a week to read. Letterboxing is about getting people, whatever their ability, out in to the 'wilds' and educating them about some of the most fantastic places one could wish to visit. The letterboxing is simply a medium to execute this and, therefore, rather than keeping clues shrouded in mystery we should be saying to people - "here are the clues, see how many you can find. Oh, and whilst your out there take a good look around and discover the true nature of the environment" - rather than saying "well yeah I have planted thirty boxes but cant give you the clues because you haven't proved yourself as a boxer".
I would rather spend a day with a new boxer who has 3 finds and a love of the moor than a 'number hunter' who has no interest in the moor but will speedmarch 30 miles if it means edging their finds list beyond that of their fellow boxers.

Put letterboxing on the map (excuse the pun :-) ) and get people out into the wilds and encourage them to learn about the great outdoors. The amount of times I have encountered boxers on Dartmoor and spoken about nothing but the moor, the solitude, favourite tors and pubs and then upon departing have been told "oh, and theres a box under that rock" is testimony to the fact that the majority of people box because they have a passion for Dartmoor (myself included) and that letterboxing comes in second to this.

You can probably tell that my passion is for the outdoors and Dartmoor, and that boxing is something that I do when I'm out there and I believe that this is how the pastime should be! I would defy anyone to spend time alone on Dartmoor and not come away feeling the same.




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I don't think it's at all what she does with her clues that get folks riled up, but the perceived tone of her posts that are easy to take offense to. At least that's my take on things, but what do I know. And I know people say it's so easy to misunderstand what people mean when reading a typed message blah, blah, blah. It's also just as easy to take a little extra time to make sure your message conveys a civil tone if you care about that sort of thing. But hey, everyone has a right to express themselves however they want. Last time I checked it was still a free country, thank goodness..

SpringChick wrote:
So am I understanding that anyone can buy the catalog of Dartmoor clues? Even if they have no finds? This is contrary to what I have heard and understood it to be before as there has always been an understanding that it is not available until a person logs 100 finds all on their own, but that is good to know (if I ever get there ;-)

The funny thing is that the concept of the catalog is identical to what the person here in the U.S. who has taken clues offline is doing -- putting out a little print catalog of clues that is available for a nominal fee (postage is not free) to anyone who requests a copy. But for some reason she is perceived as being exclusionary for doing this.

SpringChick

----- Original Message -----
From: Ukletterboxer
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Dartmoor catalog

i brought mine before I had a hundred!
Only a proportion of the estimated 28,000 letterboxes on Dartmoor are actually catalogued, and the following link will tell you where to send your money for the catalogue!

http://www.letterboxingondartmoor.co.uk/catalogue.html

You do, however, need a hundred boxes to join the (informal) 100 club!!!!
So in answer to your question Jay, not true! ;-)

Drew Family wrote:
> ukletterboxer wrote:

> The idea behind letterboxing is for a box to be placed in order for
> others to find, end of story - the idea is not for the box to be
> hidden for a select few to find - clues to Dartmoor boxes (which, may
> i remind you is the home of letterboxing) are publicised in a
> catalogue! This catalogue is available to any persons willing to buy
> one.

Not to beat a dead horse here, especially since I haven't been lucky
enough to visit Dartmoor myself, but my impression is that a
letterboxer must have a logbook with lots (100?) of found stamps in
hand before they are allowed to buy the catalog. Not "any persons
willing to buy," but rather "persons who can prove they're responsible
boxers can buy."

True? Jay in CT

Have fun and stay safe
The Happy Wanderer

http://thewanderersretreat.blogspot.com

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I guess I'll weigh in on the issue. Both parties are correct. But I digress
. . .



When I accompanied the Bakers' Dozen to Dartmoor several years ago, I had
the occasion to arrange a surprise for our attendees - an enchanting evening
in a well-known pub in Princetown with Godfrey & Anne Swinscow and Tony &
Sylvia Moore. Many of you know Godfrey as "God" and the president and
founder of the Dartmoor 100 Club. His wife, Anne, is the author of several
books on Dartmoor letterboxing.



Tony and Sylvia Moore are lesser known, and quite shy, but equally as
important since they manage and compile the Dartmoor Catalogue of Clues that
is published twice a year, in the Spring and Fall, and contains the current
list of registered letterboxing clues. When you register a letterbox, you
receive an actual registration number that is also placed in the clues.
After 5 years, if you don't renew your registration, your clue is dropped
from the catalogue. That is the reason for the disparity in the number of
boxes in the Catalogue and the actual count of boxes on the moor.



When I first emailed Tony, I explained we were leading a group to the moor
from the US and asked if I could purchase a book. He immediately agreed and
it wasn't unitl later that I learned of the 100 box requirement to get the
catalogue. It was sheer ignorance on my part.



That magical night in the pub I had the opportunity to thank Tony for what I
thought might have been preferential treatment in his sending the book
knowing that none of us had found even 1 Dartmoor box. Tony replied that
they are not as stringent as they were in the past with the 100 box
requirement. Call it evolution or changing ways or whatever you'd like but
their initial policy has been tempered with time. Might it be different if
you were a UK resident? Possibly, but I never asked that question.



So both opinions seem to be correct - there is and isn't a requirement.



Mark Pepe

Proud member of "The Bakers Dozen" and the Dartmoor 100 Club

And soon to be member of the newest Dartmoor hunters in September of this
year - "The Moor-Torists:





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>
> You can probably tell that my passion is for the outdoors and
Dartmoor, and that boxing is something that I do when I'm out there
and I believe that this is how the pastime should be! I would defy
anyone to spend time alone on Dartmoor and not come away feeling the
same.
>
>
Hi Andy

Hope you are spending as much time as you can on the moor. Gwen and I
are still talking about our Dartmoor experience.

Don, aka "Stickerman"

Hikers and Hounds wrote on 2/12/2007, 7:46 PM:

> I don't think it's at all what she does with her clues that get folks
> riled up, but the perceived tone of her posts that are easy to take
> offense to. At least that's my take on things, but what do I know. And
> I know people say it's so easy to misunderstand what people mean when
> reading a typed message blah, blah, blah. It's also just as easy to
> take a little extra time to make sure your message conveys a civil
> tone if you care about that sort of thing. But hey, everyone has a
> right to express themselves however they want. Last time I checked it
> was still a free country, thank goodness..

You said what I was think, but is a much nicer, more graceful way.

'Course, my thoughs would have taken up much less space.
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